01 May 1997 13:56:57 +0200 COCKROACH! #57 (Marxists in Unions..) A EZINE FOR POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS. It is time that the poor and working class people have a voice on the Internet. Contributions can be sent to Subscribtions are free at Now on line! Check out the Home of COCKROACH! http://www.algonet.se/~malecki How often this zine will appear depends on you! -------------------------------------------------------- 1. Marxists in Unions.. 2. welfare state + capitals crisis (part 2) -------------------------------------------------------- Marxists in Unions Well! I am glad to see a discussion like this on M-I and M-G. It is a very important discussion. However I was not surprised that many of our "Marxists" on the list in fact express the classical position of the Mensheviks and Bernsteinians on this question. Although not coming clearly and explicitly out and saying so the majority of people on the list can be characterized in that they see this question as going down to the level of those backward workers and in Godena,s case even further of writing off the working class as a revolutionary class. And also the discussion backhandidly appears to be the around the classical devision of the Leninists and the various wings of Russian Social democracy (albeit in a deformed and rather disguised way) of at best a mini-maxi program in the daily struggles around single issues or bread and butter issues (economism).. Unfortunately I am of the opinion that a "marxist" in the trade union is in fact a part of the vanguard and a tribune and transmission belt for the politics and the interests of the class as a whole. Naturally this does not mean ignoring individual conflicts, economic conflicts, or any of the daily conflicts that are constantly taking place in every work place. But the duty of a "marxist" in the trade unions is to link these daily struggles to both a program and an anal isis of turning the workers against their *real* enemies and finally towards a desperate struggle to sieze all political power on the road to a better society. I mean Marx, Lenin, Trotsky certainly did not have any better conditions to work with in regards to "backward" workers back then. I would assume that they in fact probably had a far worse situation then we "marxists" have today. Naturally this does not mean that one would go to a trade union meeting and use the terminology that we use on this list. But it does mean that the politics and program still have to be presented and linked to these everyday struggles. I mean we just can't sit around and say the workers don't understand this shit and do our 8 hours and go home. In fact I think that if you work 8 hours it gives you the opportunity to engage in politics and struggle for 8 hours. And this stuff about being a tribune of the people! Well, Lenin thought that this was correct. And I think he had the position that communists are in fact agitators for the historic interests of the class in every situation. And it was always linked to a struggle of power and revolution. Even in the blackest times after the defeat in 1905 and the ebb of the revolutionary uppsurge Lenin did not give up his program nor tactics of the party being the tribune of the historical interests of the Proletariat. And the program and politics including the revolutionary overthrow of the class enemy certainly never disappeared from the agitators and propagandist and party repertoire! And in fact the Trotskyists in Germany never gave up in far worse times during the Nazi period. Because the whole point of a revolutionary party is in fact to lead the proletariat down the historical road of revolution. This means in every given situation being the tribune of revolution. This means that no matter how bad or good the situation is the tasks are basically the same and the tactics can change a bit determined by the concrete circumstances. Now to all this negative stuff about talking about revolution way over the head of the workers. Well..that is true. Everyday I talk over the head of the workers. And many times the workers think or even say that Malecki is crazy. While at the same time they respect me because despite what i say i am standing on the line or what ever doing the same shit job as the next guy. In fact at trade union meetings back in the good times the Social democrats and CPers would trounce us! And we would sometimes get boos and gasps and all the rest. But the things we were saying in the long run were being said and the workers could either not hear it or perhaps even understand it. And time goes by. Today the situation is not like it was back in the 70ties. Now when I go to meetings i get pats on the back and applause. And still many of the workers think Malecki is crazy. But they know I am on their side. I have been saying the same thing in different ways over and over and over again. But it is the Social Democracy and the CPers that have changed their tune! And that is what makes the difference. A big difference. Because the workers although they still do not understand realize that well maybe Malecki was not so crazy after all! Actually the big and central difference between the various forms of opportunism and Leninism is in fact that the Leninists always try to tell the revolutionary truth to the workers. The opportunists always try to either capitulate to the backwardness of the workers or betray them in one way or another. A more concrete form of this stuff would be one of the present debates in the LP. The money to military question.. Where they are for a line of cuts and using the money for bread and butter issues for example. Not at all out of line with some everyday consciousness of the working class. I mean exchange some of the "bomb" money for hospital or education. Now who could be against that. Well I am not against that but that is not the whole truth. Because I would say not one penny to the military! Because the money for the military is used to bomb poor and working class people in Vietnam or Iraq! Because the real military we need is a workers militia and a proletarian army which fights not for "America" in this case but for poor and working class people everywhere on this planet. And we would use the guns in order to take over the banks and factories from the bosses. Because these people are our deadly enemies and drown in Champagne while poor and working class people starve to death. Know naturally this just gets the hairs to rise on the necks of a lot of the people who subscribe to this list and in fact today i received a letter from the list moderator saying Cockroach is i"interesting" and I read it on asp all the time but I don't think it should be sent to our list and therefore i have censored Cockroach from the list is and expression of this kind of thinking. I think that banning Cockroach and another workers views is in fact a scandal. But the real point here is that quite a number of people on the LP list might not understand Malecki's Cockroach but sooner or later life will make them in one way or another confront the issues i am raising. Actually nothing I say in Cockroach is very hair raising. But it is interpreted by the present consciousness of the various list participants in different ways depending on where they are coming from. And in this particular case it appears that one of the more hostile attitudes to another workers views on "What should be done!" has the power to push the ban button thus depriving one worker in exile and who he thinks far out, crazy or whatever has no place on the LP list. Naturally the same thing happened on both M1 and M2 and the so called "Unity" list never even let me through the door! Well I don't make the rules and i can only say that in the LP case that i protest there banning of Cockroach and then try to continue in other ways of talking about politics until I am either thrown off the list or what ever. But the whole point is I am certainly not going to change my style nor will i desist from giving my views. I think that my views go stick and stave in the historical interests of the poor and working class people. Now naturally this might not be to popular but it is the revolutionary truth and in the historical interests of the working class and should be said time and again and at every opportunity. Even if it falls on deaf workers ears. I mean back in the Vietnam war days that is exactly what i did and more. I said "Turn the guns around!" and quite a lot of other stuff that could be considered far off the wall. In fact I have no doubt that some of our "Marxists" on this list did the same think. But then revolutionary slogans and stuff was hip. But now you people have changed your tune. Now certainly many of my co workers at the tank plant did not particulily like it when I said all these crazy things but it had to be said. Some of the workers hated me. Others ignored me. Some tried to be nice but non political and others sometimes even said your are right Bob.. But the point is that communists have to do their job. Not try and find excuses for not telling the whole truth. And Christ I wasn,t even a Communist back in those days.. But the "marxists" on this list say that they mean the workers are so backward and crazy that they think stuff like this comes from Mars and can't relate to it or some bullshit. My question naturally to the people on this list is! WHEN WILL THE WORKERS BE READY TO HEAR THIS STUFF? IF NOT TODAY, TOMORROW?NEXT WEEK?NEXT MONTH;NEXT YEAR.. Get what I mean. Somebody has to start talking about revolution already yesterday or last year! But obviously it is not a majority of the "Marxists" on this list because you people are not ready and you do not think the workers are ready. I think the situation has been over ripe to talk about this stuff for decades. The problem is the present so called leadership has been sucking up to the class enemy of the Proletariat in one way or another and want to continue along the same path . Well not me! Today I talked to a high school class about Vietnam. I talked about the war and its character as a colonial war. I talked about how poor and working class people were used like pieces of meat in that war. I talked about why "you will go" and posed the reasons of what one should be fighting for and against. I linked it to the war going on here in Sweden today. Not the bloody kind in Vietnam but the war against working class people. And I talked about taking sides. Where are you coming from and which side you are on. I talked about the real world and not the RAMBO stuff or the stuff being pumped out on the TV on the present crisis. I also talked a bit about Bougainville and how this was just a new little Vietnam in the Pacific. And how the companies that were responsible for this war not only are shooting people in Bougainville but breaking trade unions in Australia and now are looking for gold and precious metals here in the North of Sweden..Probably a lot more and plenty of stuff which these kids perhaps don,t understand or even think about. But sooner later the situation will come where these people will be confronted with a situation where this kind of stuff will become a reality whether it is a bloody war , a war in the trade union or whatever. It will be then that these far off and far out and crazy words of malecki will rise perhaps to the surface of their little brains and it may even be translated into action. I might not even be alive to see it but perhaps the communist revolutionaries of the future will have received a little help along the way. On the other hand Karl (I only take as and example) says do 8 hours and go home! Thanks for the advice Karl but Fuck Off and this goes for all of the rest of you who in one way or another say that we should some reason or another not be talking about revolution. And a special Fuck Off to Louis G who deserts the working class with his stuff. These are not flames but what i think about certain people and how they are acting in regards to poor and working class people. That is real for me. Not some fucking theory that says basically do nothing and at best talk about anything and everything as long as it does not relate to as a worker we want it all. We want to smash the fatcats, take it from them and rebuild society on new basis.. Getting back to the kids. Another interesting thing. I was very surprised that a number of these kids and the teacher remembered a TV show i did a couple of three years back. And I was saying some of the same stuff then. And here you are in the class room alive and doing it right before our very eyes. Because there consciousness has been raised not only by hearing over the years Malecki agitating the same old shit which they thought crazy and "communist" and "far left" and all the rest. And linking it to the events today and the problems that both these kids and the workers are facing today and in the future will pay off.. And I believe that I know the situation is arising which makes the kids and the workers become the "far left" because of what capitalism is now trying to do to them! So in fact the workers are moving towards my pole and away from the other pole of attraction. The problem with the left is that most of the left do not come from working class backgrounds and are adapting themselves to all kinds of theories which they think workers might buy. But I have never had that problem because everybody knows that Malecki is a worker and that he has always been saying basically the same thing. Many of the leftists who made the turn towards industry and the trade unions origin from the university. They in fact have had some work in the industries like Volvo for perhaps ten or 15 years. Unfortunately they left theory behind them and have adapted to the class as it is both programmatically, politically, and think that this makes them revolutionary workers. It makes them at best capitulaters to the backwardness of the workers consciousness. At best left wing Social democrats these days! I on the other hand went exactly the other way! I was just a stupid working class kid and was won over to the historical task of fighting for proletarian revolution everywhere. Now why would I want to stop halfway once I have realized it. Or why should I shut up because the workers don't understand this shit? And why should I argue like the majority of our list "marxists" who are either standing still or heading in the other direction!!!!!!!!Ha Ha what a joke! I finally got here after a whole life of struggle and experience and now our "Marxists" are saying you fucking sectarian crazy or some shit like that. The words that most recently come to mind are from Gary in Australia where he blows out "There must be a God!" or something along those lines on my temporary problems with computers and servers! My thoughts are. Well Gary is heading in the other direction and will betray the working class because he sees me has some fucking sectarian crazy and I am only trying to tell the revolutionary truth as i see it! It would be interesting to hear what Gary has to say about what should we be talking to workers about these days. He appears to be trying to suck up to some of the more backward layers at best. Well that is a big difference. I want to make revolution. I want to overthrow the capitalists. I want to build the dictatorship of the Proletariat. I want to in this case be and honest person and say as many times as possible that this is the ONE way for poor and working class people can really get it together. Obviously our "Marxists" on this list think perhaps that Malecki the "Spart" or Trot" should calm down with his sectarian bullshit and join the path that they are taking which is either standing still and whining or go backwards. Sorry guys and girls. Fuck off it took a whole life of reading, struggle and hard earned experience to get here. If you want to go in the opposite direction well Good Bye. I think Lenin,s point was that the party in the trade union was exactly the opposite. In fact a tribune for revolution! I will stop there for now. But I hope the discussion continues. I would especially like to hear from Yoshie who started this thread exactly what he thinks and where he is going. Because I have either missed it or he is running a game here on this list. Bob Malecki -------------------------------------------------------- welfare state + capitals crisis (part 2) Neil writes! #3-19:30 Wed. (test) > >Bob Malecki's (BM) latest post on this thread only >exposes his neo-spart trotskyist trend as being politically >bankrupt and politically dishonest. Why thank you Neil. To be called a "neo-Spart Trotskyist" makes me feel I must be doing something right for a change. > >To BM, most all the current capitalist offensive >against the workers livlihood can be traced to >the political rot and collapse of the exUSSR >state capitalist bloc circa 1989-91. >This, in spite of the fact that the current capitalist offensive >is at least of 18-20 years old and is also >part and parcel of capitals nature in the modern imperialist >epoch of capitals cycles of crisis, war , reconstruction.. >crisis, war......etc at root for the more rightist attacks by the >left and right of capital... Well Neil, Yes I do think that the demise of the Soviet Union is one of the absolute central causes of the present counter-revolutionary offensive against poor and working-class people by the ruling classes! I guess i see it as a central part of the present situation because it is in fact a capitalist counter-revolution that has taken place. Thus a dismantling of the former deformed and degenerated workers states in the favor of something far worse! > >Of course, BM says never a peep about the decay of the > material /economic base of these state capitalist regimes >because to analyze this with marxism would expose >his precious "workers states" as consisting of capitalist >relations to the core and it is precisely the laws of motion >of capital (state caps here) that in the main , undermined >the state cap bloc and lead to its ignominoius collapse. >But building state capitalism against the workers >is precisely the "trotskyist internationalism" of our BM. I do not say this because i am not a "state capitalist" like Neil. I am a Trotskyist and saw in the Soviet Union a great leap made by the Russian October in the interests of the world proletariat only later to be taken over by the Stalinist Bonaparte click who in the interests of "building Socialism in One Country" and their own bureaucratic privileges and interests for decades destroyed and sabotaged and betrayed the working class time and again. But they did this on the top of a great historical event of the first and only workers Proletarian revolution to seize power and exercise there dictatorship since the Paris Commune! And naturally Trotskyists unlike the state caps do not turn there backs on things like this. Unlike the state caps Trotskyists did not desert the October Revolution and its gains for a moment even and despite the counter-revolutionary betrayals of the Stalinists. > >BM is a regular "left" cover for the trend of social democracy >and is in raptures with "its" reforms in parliament even though >social democracy has been part of the left-bourgeois artillery >since the first world war. And Neil is a ultra left cover for the imperialist and was and has sat on the fence screaming a plague on both your houses. Just as he can not seen the difference between a trade union as and organization of the proletariat can and the various reformists and Stalinists that lead the unions into betrayal after betrayal. Neil sees no significance in the great historic gains of October despite the Stalinists. He has the same position as the ruling class the trade unions and the former Soviet Union should be smashed! How quaint our ultra leftist accusing this Trotskyist of being a cover for Social Democracy enlight of his ultra state cap line.. >BM, in the main the reforms in the period even before WW2 >were won by workers in struggle in many lands and against >bourgeois parliaments (or union apparatuses) who in the >main only grant/press reforms as a byproduct of the higher tempos >of the class struggles, economic and political together to >get back social control and keep it.. Sure Neil and pigs fly! In fact many of the reforms were fought for and won by the unions with both the support of the parliament and the trade union bureaucrats. And so? And the reason that they can control it is because a revolutionary leadership has had enormous difficulties in the face of the domination of both the Social Democrats and the Stalinists plus a world war among other things.And so? > >BMs asinine remarks embellishing praising the passing of reform >bills totally overlooked the historical conjuncture in which many of >these took place , the upheaval period of the imperialist war >and the emergence of imperialist bloc alliances east and west >in that period. Bullshit! But Trotskyist do defend *real*reforms against being taken back. And in fact could certainly find themselves in a position both in the parliament and trades unions of giving critical support to implement reforms! And you know very well and it is all so fairly clearly historically documented about the whys and what's both before the war, during the war and after the war. >Also and this is key, BM never mentions that the very distruction >of the capital (and 58 millions lives) and the defeat of the workers >mass struggles through the WW2 period and its aftermath gave world >capital a new lease on its parasitic existence,paving the way for >a 3rd cycle of new capital accumulation in the 20th cent. Instead >of exposing the crimes of imperialism , BM , with his state caps, >can only embellish it . It also gave the Stalinist and Social democrats a new lease on life and so? >Marxist analysis of the material basis of capitals?Why BM will >have none of it and he wills palsy on your brain if you dare be a >marxist and expose all wings of world capital. Ha Ha. The only thing that is being exposed is that Neil and his ultra left line of a plague on everybody, including trade unions and the parliaments will solve our problems. Neil should try howling at the moon instead it would be more productive! For Neil there is no contradictions nor dialectics everybody is the enemy at all times. Get out in the desert Neil and howl some more my friend and the Trotskyists will try to continue to anal isis and struggle in the way we think is correct. Time will tell who and what and where how things will turn out. > >BM plays down the bourgeois war barbarism, because he >and his spart trend are actually recruiting sergeants for that >war in the west, albeit "critical support" for imperialist war. >And in the war period, that meant not only Russian imperialism >but other capitals as well! Yup! We were on the side of the former Soviet Union, the former east block countries, Vietnam, China, North Korea and Cuba against the imperialists.Just as we can give critical support to any trade union struggle that is really directed against the bosses. And Neil was not on any side at all one would think. Just out there howling at the moon.. > >To top this off , BM serves up his warmed over (perhaps rancid) >trotsky stew of a 'different" world of a dominant state capitalism >if only the workers (somewhere) would bow down and accept >"trotsyist leaders" as their lords and saviors! Yup it is either Trotskyism or the end! >Crisis of leadership he wails! Most demagogue parties >serve up this pap all the time-- to dupe and confuse workers. >This is not marxism my friends , this is BMs secular religionism >pure and simple and has nothing to do with any scientific >understanding of how working class consciousness is raised >in the real material world of class antagonisms. Yup! Crisis of leadership and you are part of the problem out their howling at the moon Neil. And your deep anal isis of both the deformed and degenerated workers states and the unions and the parliaments which leads you out into the desert to desert poor and working class people in their hour of need and leadership. > > >BM is demoralized, so he want to demoralize others with his drivel >about how with the collapse of his precious state cap bloc >"the central contradiction has been removed in the favor >of imperialism" . Balderdash BM! If western imperialism >"'Won', this' victory' is only temporary. The smashing of the former Soviet Union is a disaster for poor and working class people. And as far as the "temporary" stuff well i hope you are right. But I guess that depends on whether a mass Bolshevik Leninist International with the correct program and tactics can be buildt or not..Because without it we are dead ducks! >Imperialisms big powers and their junior 'independent ' >partners are now breaking apart choosing up sides, >colluding for new alliances as well as trying to rip off each > others markets, cheap labor, technology and raw materials >and spheres of influence for troop/sea deployments. >Look at the Balkans, Central Africa, Chechnya, South America, >etc. Yes! preparations for a new war are in the making. But your howling at the moon and desertion into the desert won't help Neil..Get a life and help us build a revolutionary international.. > >The working class is growing bigger on a world scale >and the "centers" of monopoly capital are on the take >back warpath against the workers even in the main >bastions of capitals nation states.Anger in the class >is rising, that is why when the chiefs of the Multinationals >met recently in Dovos , Switzerland, they even invited the >pro wage slavery Intl. Confederation of Free Trade Unions- >ICFTU to take their seats at the table ., The talk was >of how to pervent more workers mass revolts, like >those in France '95, Canada '96 and Korea '97, or is >BM going to deny this & tell us that the business unions came >to rake the exploiters over the coals and give us >the bliss of his social democratic Keynesian 'solutions"?. Yes the working class has not been physically defeated since the last war. And the necessity of stopping a new bloodbath lies along the path of creating a revolutionary International.. > >BMs 'analysis" makes a mockery of marxism. >His is not Bolshevism but Bullshitivism, BM style. >his level today is not even on the understanding >of the Prussian general Von Clausewitz whom >Lenin quoted to expose the reformist charlatans of > his day in pointing out that only charlatans or > the gullible would try to separate economics and > politics . And this is what many of BMs posts do, >if ever they connect the antagonism of class struggle politics and >economics at all . Well, Neil we shall see. Every time we have discussed something you have been soundly getting louder and louder. As if screaming those horrible Bolshevik Leninists, its all their fault that nobody understands the ravings of Neil and his ultra-left whining and howling about "Down with Everything!".. well Neil I still think you want to make a revolution. But unfortunately you have no tactics, no program and anal isis which derived from the Schactminites with a touch of Bordigism. Not much for the poor and working class to grasp on to is their. Maybe if you can convince everybody for example of dumping their trade unions and joining you out their in the desert to howl together that will change things. However I have some very serious doubts about your succeeding with this project of yours! Bob Malecki ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check Out My HomePage where you can, Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! Or Get The Latest Issue of, COCKROACH, a zine for poor and working-class people and now starting the "Never Ending Story"... http://www.algonet.se/~malecki Back issues of Cockroach and my book at http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ ---------------------------------------